THE SID COMPETITION II
was held on 8. October - 4. November 2002
download all stuff - SID + PRG + D64 + BONUS TUNES + RESULTS here!
. Read the article for complete results, bonus tunes & voters comments.
Thank you all for your contributions, attention and a lot of great musics. And now, let's go outside!
18. Nov 2002 16:42
For those who asked.. Next sidcompo --> Next october. As far as other compos are concerned, if there is any masochist who would like to organise and maintain generic-GFX compo at c64.sk feel free to contact me. You must have some skills with HTML, you should be able to make screenshots of GFX.
18. Nov 2002 17:12
BWAHAHAHAAAAAH! ;_; *sniff* Im sad coz my 13th place (16th, coz after a shared place for two entries, next place is not +1 but +2!). BTW, seems like the .prg only musics had been avoided coz their lack of userfriendship: cant believe Richards entry is so low. Mermaid: leave your actual partner and matty me, love your tune! SuppahCompo, dudes! RealOxygen?! Congratulations to everybody who challenged!
18. Nov 2002 17:13
Ehrrr..."marry me", it was "marry me"...^^;
18. Nov 2002 17:13
respect to CreaMD :)
18. Nov 2002 17:17
Congrats to Dane! Your prize will be to buy ME a drink in Stockholm at Christmas time... (Your favourite time of the year...) My favourite tune was Trances tune.
18. Nov 2002 19:22
Yodelking - thats the best offer Ive had in years! And they say computer nerds miss out on all the action! (Seriously, this was great fun participating in Sid Compo 2. Im surprised and happy about the vote results. This was not what I had expected, and Im glad to see all the scene activity it has caused and look forward to taking part next year, or in whatever compo will come next!)
18. Nov 2002 19:25
WE WOULD KNOW PLACE 1 THEN ALLREADY :)
18. Nov 2002 20:09
Pi - If it was a striptease compo, yes.
18. Nov 2002 21:18
You would have my vote for sure, dane-darling
18. Nov 2002 22:34
Dont worry Luca ;-)
13th is a good place! dont worry dont worry!
I like your song...but its too much "Trance" style... you must use a sound more like the "syntethizers of the 80s"... like 80s stile! ;-)
? un consiglio :-)
and dont tuch my Mermaid!!! :-P
MERMAID RULEZ! SMACK! (chesspart forever!) :-)
18. Nov 2002 23:11
if anybody is interested:
my tune is called "Ooops! I failed again(bored until Deadline RMX)"...
18. Nov 2002 23:22
Uhmmm, MattSid....80s sound at this moment its not for me... Better the 13th place instead ^_-
18. Nov 2002 23:23
Hey, Im glad not to be last ;) There surely were some ppl who realized, that the tune plays when they choose a new SID. And guess what: I just got another 8580-chip for a beer (good price, isnt it?). Great, now I can replace it on my own board (did all the stuff with a borrowed C64).
And MattSid: you must sound like is the most stupid thing I ever read. Evryone likes ED - so why the hell are you talking such stuff? Innovation rulez on a computer thats nearly as old as I am - and prepare for sum recordbraking and innovative stuff in the upcoming time ;)
And maybe next time more ppl see the hardship of putting classics and industrial together ...
19. Nov 2002 00:19
Im very happy to see GH so high. He has been working on his sids for so long without much recognition from the bigger audience. If all goes well, another 100 sids by him will be in the next HVSC :))
19. Nov 2002 01:49
damn, forgot to vote and then voting is closed. and lucas tune only #13. what a shame. you would have gotten 9 points as highest and only one from me! its not trancy, its good. Danes tune is one of his worst and surely doesnt deserve #1.
19. Nov 2002 01:51
did anyone else recognize Mermaids tune is heavily inspired by Rob Hubbards Tarzan in-game/night tune
19. Nov 2002 03:18
rough: lol! XD This is the ultimate punch in the stomach, ahahah! :D BTW, tnx for your support! Wait for the 3rd of the triad: Soulfxier, Mindfixer, then...
19. Nov 2002 04:07
Rough: Ive never even heard that Hubbard-tune youre talking about, actually.
19. Nov 2002 04:14
Rough: After listening to the Tarzan tunes I must say I cant find any that sound like my tune. Which of the 12 songs do you mean?
19. Nov 2002 09:50
Did you recognize the "Madama Butterfly" main theme in my entry? Nooo? Youre still sane, then :D
19. Nov 2002 10:18
i wont compose an oldschool tune for the next compo, i hope i get a better place than the 6th next time :)
19. Nov 2002 11:34
hey, 6 of 27 isnt that bad, trance...
i got 25 (and i somehow knew it bevore) 8)
19. Nov 2002 12:20
What i miss in most of todays sid tunes is a good melody. Sure, there are a couple of tunes that are really good, but many releases sounds like musicians "jamming" together.. like "restaurant" music. Guy Shavitt was a very good musician that came up with good sid sounds and had a knack of creating good melodies. Ofcourse i know many will disagree with me, but this is my opinion. Still i would like to say that it?s really great to see that there?s so many people interested in C64 music. The Sid scene will live on!
19. Nov 2002 13:58
Derek, youre damagely right. I strongly hope that my music was in that "couple of"... This comment may evolve in another question:which have to be the coherent parameters in order to judge a SIDtune? Yeah, something Zzap!64-like, e.g.
19. Nov 2002 14:49
Yay! I didnt come last for once :-p As a side note, I really prefered danes cover tune (politik) to the original one he did - you should all go and listen to that...
19. Nov 2002 15:34
>St0fF wrote: "Evryone likes ED - so why the hell are
>you talking such stuff?"
Not me. I dont like tunes that I cant hear if they are bugged or not. I like oldskool music, with a nice catchy melody...
19. Nov 2002 15:43
@Luca: Theres nothing like coherent parameters for judging which tune is best. Its just everybodys personal taste that decides what one likes best.
@ALiH: Youre not the only one that liked the first entry of Dane better. Not that his second one was bad (didnt it win the compo? ;-) ) but the first one was actually so good that I had to get the CD of Coldplay. Its called "A Rush of Blood to the Head" and if youre into Radiohead, Madrugada, Travis and stuff like that Id strongly suggest you take a listen!
19. Nov 2002 17:02
Steppe - If I made you buy the Coldplay CD I consider my mission successful :)
19. Nov 2002 19:47
ok, this is hard to say to pi but Opps! I failed again... is fantastic. A true winner for me, as I listen to it for hours...
19. Nov 2002 21:32
Yeah, I liked the bonus file of pi much better, you should have competed with this one.
19. Nov 2002 22:15
the title..you know..the title of the tune probably wouldnt have fit then...but thank you 8)
19. Nov 2002 22:41
"Everyone likes ED" - I dont like him, either. Dont mistake ignorance for originality. Vip, Wacek, Shogoon are original. ED and his followers are ignorants from my subjective, conservative point of view.
19. Nov 2002 23:21
Well, I think the conservative point makes the scene stop evolving and as a result of that itll die out soon. But how can you say Ed and his followers are ignorants? Where do you take the right for this from? Getting industrial sounds out of this chip is much more challenging than what most of you presented in this compo! I actually made some d&b and industrial-like tunes that were played on the Maschinenfest-festival this year in Aachen, and a lot of people came to the DJ and asked what this music was. This way you get much more people to listen to sid-music, not with keeping the original sound. Noone of the big masses likes this, but smaller crowds can easily be convinced if they like the music. Those crowds are a lot larger than 100 people, like this crowd you guys belong to. And btw. there cannot be any followers of ED, cause everyone who tries ends up in his own style.
20. Nov 2002 00:20
st0ff. wait. you were at the maschinenfest?
20. Nov 2002 14:57
Stoff, you raise a good point. Of course the Sid music scene needs progress and new sources of inspiration. All music does. Personally I look upon composing as a challenge - if I can get melodies and harmonies that are catchy enough for people to remember them once theyve turned off their computer, Im satisfied. For me, melody and harmony has always been most important, more so than beat and sound structure. Please note, however, that both Politik and T&E were both attempts to renew my catalogue of instruments and effects. I dont know how well that came across, but that was something I kept in my mind while working on these tunes. And as for ED - taste differs. Im impressed by some of his tunes, like the Feedback soundtrack which I think suits its purpose wonderfully, but more allergic to other tunes he has made, just because I lack melody and harmony.
20. Nov 2002 18:59
Harmony and disharmony both are challenges. more than doing oldschool. And Dane: it worked! IMHO youve got the best instruments presented in this compo, might be because of you filter-choosage. But it was pretty hard to hear that it was just a single speed music. There were a lot of tracks here, where I thought it might be 25Hz, because the instruments were just too poor (And still within the top 10 ... somethings went strange, eh ;). I guess in this case its the experience that counts and makes up good sounds.
20. Nov 2002 22:48
Poor arrangment is 100 times worse than poor instruments.
21. Nov 2002 09:11
Not really, think about it again ;) What sounds good gets listened to, what doesnt sound good, but is perfectly arranged might just hurt the ears. so IMHO its just 2 times worse...
23. Nov 2002 23:27
Hmm... interesting discussion. Evolution is a good thing. Every composer of some fame has come a long way finding their own unique style ever since their first outings, and Im no exception. You have to evolve to find your own groove, and that road is marked by the experience you gain both from your own efforts and the inspiration you get from existing work and composers you look up to. Im now at a point where my whole composing essence is about to change drastically, and Prancah is a first step towards that. Earlier, it used to be all about finding the ultimate instruments, because I used to think that thats a must to get the best tunes. However, as you mature, you begin to see that this is not entirely true - there are no best instruments really, what you do is find those instruments which suit your tune and then implement them. The arrangement of your tune is far more important - as Dane said, you need to find structures such that the listener will remember them after theyve turned off their respective media. As an example of this, listen to the soundtrack of Armalyte by Martin Walker. He uses simple, unfiltered sounds, yet the tunes he created are so well arranged that they easily outclass many tunes of the last 5 years. Still not convinced? Listen to a Martin Galway song. The atmosphere he created in some of his songs is still unrivalled, even though he used fairly simple sounds by todays standards. Thats because he knew how to combine effectively - he had that insight I one day wish to have as well, albeit in my own style. Now dont get me wrong. I love Eds work too - even made a small ode to him (Oded), and therere a lot of alternative musics that I like, such as Astovel, or Praiser and definately Jeff. On PC I have many people I look up to such as Radix, Lluvia, Muffler, Virgill, ... its a long list. They dont make mainstream music, they make _their_ music and it sounds great, even if they sometimes used inferior samples. Besides, if sample quality were _that_ important, how would one explain the success of the Popcorn song, for example, or Jarres work? Their samples are *so* outdated these days! Also, the socalled chipmusic has always been a popular genre inside the scene - meaning that people do acknowledge the arrangement skill rather than the having better samples skill. Anyway, this is getting overly long and in the end, its about what sounds good and what not. And as we all know, _that_ is a personal matter. No amount of debating about what is the ultimate way to make music will ever change that. Cheers!